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According to the article, George Raveling ¨... would like the speech to be on public display someday.¨ What do you believe should happen to the speech? Be sure to use evidence from either the text or the video to defend your claim.
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George Raveling has lived quite a life, but has he fulfilled the American Dream? Consider how you are starting to define this term yourself, and then make a claim in response to the question. Use at least TWO pieces of textual evidence in your comment.
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The speech should be put on public display for everyone to see perhaps in the national archives with all of the other great pieces of American history. George Raveling also believes that the speech should be “on public display one day” but all of this rests on George deciding on what museum it should be put in but that decision should not rest on the shoulders of a 76 year old man but on the shoulders of everyone who went through that struggle and came out stronger than ever.
ReplyDeleteGeorge Raveling has very much so completed his American dream. “Far too many times in my life, I have been at the right place at the right time,” George has gathered many mementos in his life showing the good and bad memories as a whole. “He wasn't a coach, he was a role model,” George was a coach for many years and is now a director of grassroots basketball for Nike, throughout his career he has provided not only coaching expertise, but a good standing role model for all of his players. His American dream was completed when he was able to give back to people who needed someone like him, he should be proud of what he has accomplished in life.
I agree that Raveling has completed the American Dream, but also because he still believes in King's world he tried to build almost 50 years ago showing that he had strong faith in King.
DeleteI agree with both of your statements! Looking at the first one, I also said that it should be given to a more secure place such as the national archives. It's just safer for the document. As for the second paragraph, I had a similar view to yours about how him being a role model was his "American Dream!"
DeleteI agree with both statements. Especially where you stated" the speech should be put on public display..." I agree with it because everyone should be allowed to view it, not just the man who it was given to
DeleteI can also approve both statements. I like the very last sentence in the (Q2) answer. It really shows that Raveling was a man who was given so much, but he had a lot to give back as well.
DeleteI agree with your first statement. The speech should go to a museum because it is considered an historical artifact.
DeleteThe second statement is not unsuitable to answer the question but you have to remember that the american dream is mostly subjective and can change over time.
The speech should be displayed in a museum, preferably a big one such as the Smithsonian. This speech is a monumental part of American history. This is shown in, how the “crowd swelled to nearly 250,000.” A lot of people wanted to hear this speech, imagine how many would want to see the paper it was written on? Although, it would be a lot more valuable if the improvised part was actually written as well, considering that’s the part that made the speech famous.
ReplyDeleteGeorge Raveling has fulfilled the American Dream. How he did so was developing as a human being that fought for what he believed in, and truly let his thoughts and beliefs craft him into the great person he is. He let that hard work and dedication chisel him into a good role model. He started out with his dad dying and his mom, “suffered what was described to him as a nervous breakdown.” Regardless of those upsets, he still turned out to fight for what he wants, and live a pretty solid life. That’s what the definition of the American Dream is, progress in the direction that you dream to reach.
I agree that it should be placed in a museum so that it can be worshipped by all and so that we learn from history to not make the same mistakes.
DeleteI like how you said "chisel him into a role model" because that's exactly what he became, in being there for the March and helping King made him a better role model for the future youth of America.
DeleteThe speech should be placed in a large museum as you stated so that people can really appreciate how big this speech was in forming Americas history.
DeleteI like the way you said " how he did so was developing as a human being...". I agree because he did fight for what he believed in such as becoming a basketball star and quote
DeleteI agree when you said, " Progress in the direction that you dream to reach." I like that because everyone has their own dreams that they can work hard for to fulfill and like you said, he did exactly that.
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ReplyDeleteThe speech should be on public display someday. It was one of the most influential speeches of the 20th century and even thought the "I have a dream" part was added in, and not even in the script, the speech still accomplished it's goal of achieving equal rights for black citizens. The speech should be in a public display for showing us the power that words can have.
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George Raveling has fulfilled the American Dream. When King said that "it is a dream deeply rooted in the American Dream..." he was talking about equal opportunity for everybody. George Raveling has achieved King's dream, meaning he has in turn accomplished the American Dream. You cannot have one dream without the other. Raveling has also achieved the American Dream because "Raveling often contemplates the world King tried to build.". Even though the world is not exactly what King wanted, he still achieved most of it causing him to fulfill the American Dream.
I like your interpretation on what the American Dream is and how George fulfilled it in his lifetime.
Delete"Showing us the power that words have" I really like that! Politicians and protesters alike constantly forget the power that their words have, they can be used to start or end wars, and start or end riots.
DeleteI disagree with your statement on how he fulfilled his American Dream, although I agree with the fact that he did fulfill it. You mention how he "achieved King's dream" of equal opportunity. That's not necessarily true, he was a soldier in this battle for Civil Rights, but he didn't single-handedly do it. That's also implying that equal opportunity has been achieved.
DeleteGreat point when you said " Raveling has achieved King's dream". Generally speaking he has fulfilled his dream because he has done what King's speech says. He was the first African American in many colleges that were populated with white Americans
DeleteI like how you included MLK's definition and how both people inspire and change the views of many.
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ReplyDeleteThe speech should be put in a museum of best fit for the type of speech and meaning behind it. In one of the videos Raveling stated that he wanted the speech to go to a museum, but hasn't found the best fit to represent the meaning of the speech in an appropriate way. In paragraph 3 of the article it says “The item is worth millions of dollars, but he will not sell it.” Ravelings decision not to sell the speech is the right decision, because it's far too valuable to be sold for any amount of money, and it deserves to be appreciated by museum tourists who understand why this speech was so important in the making of our history.
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George Raveling has lived the American Dream. He has fulfilled the American Dream because he has been able to pursue what he wants to and is a successful man. It says “ his massive collection serves as a roadmap of sorts, documenting the twists and turns of Raveling’s remarkable, unpredictable life.” This is showing that he was successful in his career and has many memories and items to show for it. It proves in the article that George raveling was able to pursue what he wanted here “... George was approached by Jack Ramsay, the basketball coach at St. Joseph's University in Philadelphia. Ramsay asked George if he would consider playing for the Hawks on scholarship.” George wanted to pursue basketball after high school and he got the opportunity.
I also believe that he has achieved his dream because after high school all he wanted to do in life was play basketball. He got what he wanted.
DeleteRavelings idea of not selling the speech for money was a perfect way. He wants it to be put into a museum so people will remember the important of the speech and how it impacted history. As he said "I feel like the protector of this speech" he wants whats best for it and that decision is to not sell it.
DeleteI agree with your response to question 2. Raveling has fulfilled the American Dream because he was a successful man. His hobby of collecting also shows his achievements and significant memories in life.
DeleteThe speech should never be put on public display ever in it's existence. No matter how much money is put on the table for Raveling, it was gifted to him from MLK himself, and to put it in other hands would be unethical and depending who pleads for the papers,can be fairly risky. As George Raveling has also paved the way for many African Americans himself, he really should reconsider giving up his possession of the speech. George must realize this wasn't only passed to him from King, but by God too. Everything happens for a reason, and that speech acts as a passing of power, to leader to leader, to make true and necessary change for the African American people.
ReplyDeleteGeorge Raveling in his 78 years has not only lived, but has given so many more African Americans the opportunity to live the american dream on so many occasions. He became the first African American coach in the ACC, and the PAC 12 in his years as a basketball coach, where he worked to develop many young, skilled and prospering athletes black and white. After that, he took his wisdom and skills all around the world as Nike's director of international basketball, going places like Qatar, Beijing, and he only goes to his home in L.A. to unpack. Raveling has collected many other exquisite items and recordings, and still travels the world today. He's a vibrant example of how to live not just the american dream, but life for anyone who wants to prosper and make a difference for their people.
Question 1: Since the speech is a huge part of history, it should be put in a museum so people can read and admire King’s work. In the video Raveling says “ I feel as if I am the speech’s defender”. This makes sense because he it was given to him by King. On the contrary him holding onto it is in a way selfish because he’s not letting the world see it. The article says “ Selling the speech would also cheapen the memory of that remarkable day” Furthermore if he won’t sell it for the money, he should donate it so everyone who wants to see it can actually read and see this historic piece of literature.
ReplyDeleteQuestion 2: Despite living a rougher life, Raveling has fulfilled the American Dream. In the article it tells you he grew up with his father not being around and his parents both dying while he was young. He enrolled in college in 1956 and played basketball all through his college experience. He fulfilled the American Dream because he became successful even though he didn’t have much growing up. For example, “ In 3 years on the varsity he pulled down 835 rebounds, 11th on Villanova’s all time list”. This shows he was successful because out of all players ever, he placed 11th on the list of best players. Another quote that shows that he fulfilled the American Dream is where it states “At this point in my life, what difference does it make? I'm not rich, but it's not like I’m poor either” The quote supports how he fulfilled the American Dream because it implies he has enough money to do what he wants and to be happy.
I agree that the speech should not be sold because it would destroy the true value of the speech, its worth much more than any amount of money.
DeleteI agree that the speech should be donated not sold for money. Money destroys the power that this speech has.
DeleteI agree with your response to the first question. The speech is significant and should be put on display. Selling the speech won't be as valuable as showing the memory of the speech.
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ReplyDeleteThe speech written by Dr. King should be put in a museum where many people could admire it and remember the great historic meaning behind it. On the last page of the article it says, “He has had discussions with museums, universities, foundations, and a representative of King’s family.” If the speech was put in hands of a museum for example the National Museum of Natural History, more people could learn about it. This could also help in keeping the civil rights movement being completely non-existent in today's world.
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Raveling achieved the American dream perhaps more than anyone else has ever in the United States. The beginning of his life started off rough, “That enabled him to leave home at 14 and attend St. Michael’s, a boarding school in Hoban Heights, Pa.” He lived with strangers through high school and those hardships made him into the great person he is today. Later in his life he played basketball and that is what he wanted to do, be around basketball. Playing, to coaching and then finally working with Nike in basketball products. However, the dream he had was Dr. King’s speech which made Raveling’s dream so special. The article states, “...but it is also because king is still his hero.” With a very important part of King’s legacy still with him, he fulfilled the great American dream.
I also believe that he has achieved his dream because after high school all he wanted to do in life was play basketball. He got what he wanted.
ReplyDelete#1... Considering that Martin Luther King Jr handed the speech to George Raveling, Raveling should be allowed to do whatever well pleases. Raveling seems like a man that will keep it in good hands, quoting the SI article "He will never sell it." He even left it in his will to his son with one condition, that he also may not sell it. The article is "to important to his race, to him, and his country." Civil Forfeiture isn't pure, and taking an owned piece of history from the owner, (and yes, he is the owner), simply on worth is ridiculous. It's not about the words, but the picture the words can paint.
ReplyDelete#2...It's undoubtedly clear that George Raveling's career has been a successful one, but success isn't what defines the American Dream. Martin Luther King stood by that dream, where the excerpt "I have a dream" showcased a truly pressing change for the better. Raveling has done so on a smaller scale, but a scale towards the American Dream. He has been a coached many boys to not only win on the court, but off the court as well. He's also raised a loving family environment while keeping his morale compass at heart. This is great evidence that Raveling in his life achieved the American Dream.
Raveling did not feel as if he helped Kings movement as much as he could. He did not feel content, He wanted to only give the speech, if America was really ready to hold onto it. The paper was more than just a memory. And America has not yet completed Kings dream. And no where near it.
DeleteI like the fact that you say, "success isn't what defines the American Dream." This statement really helps me reflect on what my definition is for the American Dream. I can agree to the fact that Raveling has been a inspiring individual as well.
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ReplyDeleteThe speech should be put on display for all to see, George Raveling ”the Guardian of The Speech.” so he put it said that this document is “too -Important -- to him, to his race and to his country.” I agree with him that the speech should be placed for all to see because it is a piece of history. Even though millions were offered he declined because he said that it would tarnish the memories of both king and his best friend whom traveled to dc on march day with him but, was killed years later in a car wreck.
George Raveling has achieved the american dream that most came here for but, my suspicion is that king and George shared a different view of the american dream that still has not been achieved yet”I think he would be disappointed that we are still grappling with the same basic concerns.” and may not be for some time but George will keep fighting for his dream just like Martin Luther King Jr. did.”yet during whatever time he has left, the coach intends to keep marching, keep mentoring.”
When you stated that George Raveling shared, " I think he would be disappointed that we are still grappling with the same basic concerns" it makes sense that he is imply that even though he achieved the american dream, he achieved it in a different way than Martin Luther King Jr.
DeleteQuestion 1: The speech is so important to not only Raveling but so many others. It is a huge symbol of the Civil Rights Movement. That being said, the speech should go to a museum to be hung up on display so that people from all over can see it and recognize it. In the article it says, “Raveling would like the speech to be on public display someday.” Raveling wants the speech to be on public display because it helped his race and sparked the Civil Rights Movement.
ReplyDeleteQuestion 2: George Raveling has definitely lived the American dream. George had a rough childhood, but that didn’t stop him from pursuing his future. He became a successful basketball coach, mentor and man. He got to meet his role model at a young age. Being able to accomplish so much after going through many hardships in life is the ultimate American dream, and George Raveling has definitely accomplished that. Like he said, “ After all, a man never knows when he might find himself in the right place at the right time.”
I agree when you said the Raveling was a successful basketball coach, mentor and man because he was all of those things. I mean he kept the speech on behalf of King and all African Americans. Which made him a more successful man than anything else.
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ReplyDeleteEven though George Raveling’s will states that his son Mark should get the famous speech by Martin Luther King Jr., over time the speech should be sent to a museum to be kept as an important figure to history. The speech was a key component to the civil rights movement that spoke to Americans about the freedom and equality so “people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.” When the collector offered more than $3 million for the the document Raveling commented that “selling the speech would cheapen the memory of that remarkable day and the two men with whom he shared it.” The speech should be put on display because it represents an important day in history where a man should infront of thousands and gave a speech that moved many with his worlds and support for his own kind.
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Because George Raveling lived life to the fullest, he has achieved the American Dream. The American dream is the idea that everyone is successful at finding happiness by working hard and build a life that you could be proud of. George Raveling completed this because “ he wasn’t just a coach, he was a role model” to many in the basketball program by achieving his goals and being one of the first black coaches known to history. When asked why he of all people was chosen to hold the famous speech, he responded,” All I did was take advantages of opportunities when they came.” Raveling was always a man who worked hard for the things he achieved making him achieve the American Dream.
I agree with your first question's answer but I have a questions about your second.
DeleteRaveling just wanted people to realize what King was trying to say. And that even if King was still alive "he would would be discouraged that that there hasn't been more progress toward making his dream a reality." Raveling felt that he wasn't doing enough to make King proud.
I love your first paragraph because you really hit it on the spot with how the speech represents that day and the people. But I really love the quote you had in the first question. It is one of my favorite quotes.
DeleteYes, I agree with your first statement. The speech is a priceless historical artifact and your use of textual evidence supports that just buying it would degrade the sentimental value and symbolism.
DeleteYou are neither right or wrong that George has lived the american dream. Because the american dream is mostly subjective. Even the most successful can be full of emptiness.
I agree that George should be able to whatever he pleases with the speech, and he can. However, considering it was gifted to him from MLK himself, and George himself is an idol in the African American community, he should refrain from giving it up, until he finds the next successor to whom would be worthy of being in possession of the speech.
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ReplyDeleteYes, this speech was handed to Raveling because he politely asked for it. This means it is his property now. And if he wants it to be on public display. Then he can decide where it goes. But it is not our choice to decide where it goes. As he states “Selling this speech would also cheapen the memory of that remarkable day.” He does not want it to go into some museum because people want it. He wants people to realize how this is not just a memory, this paper is for what MLK dreamed about. And until that dream is realized by people. Then what's the point of making it part of the past.
The American Dream differs from person to person. It may be about Fame, or Equality. But what Raveling wanted, was to live on to make MLK’s dream, part of America. He even says “I think he would still be disappointed that we are still grappling the same basic concerns.” He meaning King. He wanted King to be proud of him. “If a man as gifted as Martin Luther King Jr. could not fix the world, it would be foolish for Raveling to think he could do better.” He felt he didn't do enough and was not content with what he has done for King. Just because he has “Lived quite a life”, he has not fulfilled the American Dream
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ReplyDelete(Q1) MLK’s written speech should be placed in a caring environment where the public may view it freely. George Raveling states numerous times that he is not giving into offers for this influential piece and that “Selling the speech would also cheapen the memory of that remarkable day,” meaning that the value of this document cannot be measured entirely by money. The viewing of this speech could transport many back to August 28th, 1963 where change was not just a mere idea, but a movement. And who knows, maybe this can spark a flame in the hearts of a new generation because it only takes one good spark to start a fire.
ReplyDelete(Q2) The American Dream to many of America’s great ancestors is defined as our “guaranteed unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” Raveling has been granted all three and more. He was gifted and given many opportunities of success. The article says, “He was a young black man living in a segregated America, but for him racial injustice was largely an abstraction, something he read about in sociology class.” Although he didn’t experience the war of separation in his everyday life, he grew up to be “an active member of the Black Coaches Association.” He’s been through hardships but the adversity only fueled him to recruit more players from the black community and share the importance of working together, no matter the looks of our skin.
I agree and like your response for the second question. Although Raveling was living during a time period where there is racial discrimination and segregation, the social problems didn't affect his life and successes as much. He advances in basketball and live a life with few racism.
DeleteThe speech should either stay in his possession and pass it down to his son or be given to one of king’s descendants (if king has any). In his family's possession because “It is too -important -- to him, his race and his country.” Meaning that its symbolic and sentimental value are priceless. Making George unwilling to sell the speech but “... would like the speech to be on public display someday.” So he doesn’t want to just keep it tucked away forever. Or given to king’s descendants because those speeches and king are a large part of their family’s history.
ReplyDeleteTrue that George has lived a substantially qualitative life, But we can’t state that George has lived the american dream. The american dream is mostly subjective and differs from each individual. But the overall objective of the american dream is similar. To achieve an overall happy life. So if his happiness is based on his success; from being a prominent athlete “...flourishing on the basketball court”, to not only becoming “...just a coach…” but “...a roll model”. Or even getting one of the most symbolic speeches from M.L.K. Then yes he did live the american dream. But there may be other goals George has set before he passes. So we need confirmation from George that he has lived the american dream.
Because Raveling says he doesn't want to sell the speech, the speech should be kept somewhere on display either to a museum, or passed down the line somewhere in the King family. He should however get proof of being related to the Kings family in someway so it doesn't not fall into the wrong hands of someone who wants to make profit.The speech is a big part of our history and should stay safe to significance its value it has on the country.
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ReplyDeleteThe speech should be put on public display as George Raveling said. This is because the speech holds precious memory. For instance, “Selling the speech would also cheapen the memory of that remarkable day and the two men whom he shared it.” This shows the significance of the speech paper. Not only is the speech paper used by Martin Luther King during the March on Washington, but Raveling receives it personally from King. Therefore, the speech papers should be put on public display. Putting it on display will remind Americans of King’s speech and the importance of its message.
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George Raveling has fulfilled the American Dream. The American dream is having a life of opportunities and freedom without any injustice or discrimination. Raveling was given opportunities and he get to pursue his career in basketball. He was expose to education as a child and he attended college. For instance, Raveling “attend St. Michael’s, a boarding school in Hoban Heights, Pa.” when he was 14, and he went to Villanova after high school. Furthermore, Raveling has many successes and choices in basketball. He plays in a team during his senior year, and among his many achievements, “Raveling was the first black coach Maryland had hired.” In addition, Raveling has few experiences with discrimination and racism. Specifically, he is “a young black man living in segregated America, but for him racial injustice was largely an abstraction.” This proves Raveling’s fulfilling the American Dream, because he has a life of opportunities and freedom with few to no racism in his life.